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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:33 pm 
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So, one of my options was miller. Choosing miller would have given me an essentially limitless number of negative points. This is important because of the dynamic it creates:

-If mafia points work as proposed (and as suggested by the set-up thread), then choosing the miller role would guarantee that a player gets a town role. (The miller would have no points with which to enter the raffle.)
-If mafia points work contrary to expectation, then choosing miller would all but guarantee that a player gets a scum role.

Given that the entire purpose of the miller role is to create a suspicious townie (and/or to weaken the cop role), it is enormously unlikely that HW would outright obligate a miller to be mafia.That's too much effort for a role that wouldn't do anything.

As for the vanilla options, it says in the game rules that all of us will receive a default vanilla option for each of our sets of roles. Like certain other players, I received at least one additional vanilla option beyond those two, but the point distribution(s) suggest rather strongly that the purpose of these options is to provide players with the ability to influence their point totals. It isn't strange or indicative that they would different.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:24 pm 
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to reiterate, the more mafia points you have, the more likely it is you'll be mafia

one mafia point = one ticket in a raffle system, so if you have 40 mafia points over your two choices, thats 40 tickets in the raffle

say there's 200 tickets total, that means you have a 1/5 chance of being selected as the first mafiate, and an even higher chance of being selected as one of the next two (varying depending on who is selected).

If someone has 10 tickets, then they have a 1/20 chance of being mafia on the first draw.

If someone has no tickets, they won't ever be picked as mafia.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:24 pm 
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@Neo:

Yes, you have. Your post where you state to the effect of, you either believe me, if you don't Lynch me and see how I flip," is what gives that impression. Your stance leaves no room for other interpretations either.

You quite clearly believe me to be mafia, and this is mostly based in your role ability with a minor coupling to how you interacted with me (via your poor argument). So yes, you've certainly set a tone (inadvertently or otherwise) by how you've chosen to word your responses to the likes of those disagreeing with you (ie. Argh).

While you never stated explicitly we can't be in the same team, the point is you never considered it. That's the point. You started the game with a clear bias towards me. That's why you threw a vote with a poor argument at me at the start of the game (a poor argument by your own words, and one you continue to draw my reaction from as justification of my scummyness despite the validity of my counterargument given the context of your argument -- and yes, it is valid and I've shown how it is valid time and time again which is something you not only haven't addressed, but outright characterize as a simple deflection despite your own failure to fulfill the burden of proof for your *poor* argument at the start.).

As a closer to this, I *never* made an attempt to confuse people, and your assertion of that is unfounded. What I did do is accurately point out that given what you said about your ability at the time, more details were needed to be sure about what you were claiming. You, not me, didn't provide details regarding the information you threw out here that has served to keep attention focused on me. All we had to work with we're ideas surrounding how your ability works in relation to information that isn't necessarily know (like,for instance, did you have access to point values for everyone or some or none at all in order to determine how someone was more likely to be scum -- that's just an example that I brought up previously before you've gone on to actually post more).

So no, I'm not confusing anyone. You, by your own actions, caused confusion or misunderstanding wrt to the various conversations focused in what *you* brought up.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:24 pm 
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How is it a given?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:25 pm 
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@Aargh: So you simultaneously want to lynch neo because his ability seems too trivial to be believable, and as a means of confirming his results?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:39 pm 
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I hope you guys aren't forgetting that Neo only got a result that said I was more likely to be mafia. He, as much as I can tell from what he's said,doesn't know my point total. And unless my point total is revealed on death, then there's no way to tell if Neo is lying anyway.

You guys are putting way too much emphisis on the ability as opposed to the interactions.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:32 pm 
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i don't care about neo's ability and tbh aaaargh seems to be the only person who does, and he wants neo lynched for it for whatever reason anyway

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:08 pm 
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You seemingly don't care about context either since what set Argh on Neo was how Neo conducted himself in the first place.

Or maybe it's because Argh wants you dead. Probably.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:14 pm 
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if he wants me dead i imagine he'd be voting for me

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:35 pm 
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Rag, I am voting for you.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:34 am 
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Skystone wrote:
So, one of my options was miller. Choosing miller would have given me an essentially limitless number of negative points. This is important because of the dynamic it creates:

-If mafia points work as proposed (and as suggested by the set-up thread), then choosing the miller role would guarantee that a player gets a town role. (The miller would have no points with which to enter the raffle.)
-If mafia points work contrary to expectation, then choosing miller would all but guarantee that a player gets a scum role.

Given that the entire purpose of the miller role is to create a suspicious townie (and/or to weaken the cop role), it is enormously unlikely that HW would outright obligate a miller to be mafia.That's too much effort for a role that wouldn't do anything.

As for the vanilla options, it says in the game rules that all of us will receive a default vanilla option for each of our sets of roles. Like certain other players, I received at least one additional vanilla option beyond those two, but the point distribution(s) suggest rather strongly that the purpose of these options is to provide players with the ability to influence their point totals. It isn't strange or indicative that they would different.

I also had the option for the negative infinity point miller role thing.

I did not take it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:51 pm 
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oh i see

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:53 pm 
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I think there might be roughly 14 hours left.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:58 pm 
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Vote count:
Aaarrrgh:0 votes
Cardinal dreven:0 votes
Duskyblue:0 votes
KoD:4 votes:Neosilk,Duskyblue,Rubik,Ragnarokio.
Neosilk:0 votes.
Ragnarokio::2
1 vote:aarrrgh.
Rubik:0 votes
Skystone:1 vote:KoD

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:03 pm 
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is that votecount correct? Rubik is voting both me and KoD

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Fixed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:33 am 
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I wish I had wings so that I might fly like a butterfly.

Fly...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:57 am 
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@KoD: wanna panic claim to see if you can get someone to change their mind?

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Only if I was something useful.


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Only if I was not scum.



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