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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:21 pm 
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This looks odd not just having straight prowess.
It's still a strictly better Wind Drake so I'll probably draft it all day, but it still looks odd.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:34 pm 
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Think Prowess is finally getting canned and this’ll just be a standard way for this ability now?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:36 pm 
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Reminds me of the Stifle birb.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:36 pm 
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Think Prowess is finally getting canned and this’ll just be a standard way for this ability now?
It's probably just to match a mechanic in this core set (like with Guttersnipe) rather than long term trend


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:46 pm 
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I mean there hasn't been a true Prowess since Amonkhet and they're probably more likely to do stuff based on casting Instant and Sorceries specifically than Prowess for Izzet. So my guess is we'll have two or less Prowess creatures in Standard by year's end.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:56 am 
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MaRo has said that Prowess is in series danger of losing Evergreen status because it is just too hard for Development to fit it into every set as nicely as they had originally hoped.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:48 am 
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Is Aven Wind Mage a sign that Prowess is officially on the way out?

markrosewater said:
I’ll be honest. It’s not looking good for Prowess.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:26 am 
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They have *not nearly* exhausted Prowess.
They haven't even made a set that would mix it with aura strategy.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:50 am 
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I think the issue is most likely that -- unless it's a major theme of a color pair or trio -- it's not really worth the rules baggage sticking on to a couple cards in a set. It is substantially more complex than most keywords (menace is probably the closest), so you end up having to put the reminder text on every card anyway. So what't the point.

It might also be that triggering it on enchantments (e.g., pacifism) and artifacts is randomly too strong.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:06 pm 
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Boo to the idea of prowess losing evergreen status. I really want decent 1 drops in white and blue similar power level to the ones we have in red before they stop using it, and probably a decent chunk more of 2 and 3 drops in jeskai coloration as well. Plus perhaps seeing it in a smattering of other color cards.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:47 pm 
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Should’ve only been instants and sorceries probably. Also I feel it would’ve been interesting to have seen it pop up a bit in white since it was supposed to be tertiary there. Likely restricted to rares and the occasional pushed uncommpn but still something to have made it worth having.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:56 pm 
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They have *not nearly* exhausted Prowess.
They haven't even made a set that would mix it with aura strategy.


i don't think they claim to have, and i expect they don't retire prowess completely, they just aren't satisfied with it being an evergreen mechanic.

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