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1) Why you, or other creative people here write stories in MTG's universe ? What's compelling about it, besides it being, you know, attached to a great boardgame ? It might be my personal tastes, but I think there are a lot of settings that are just plainly better...
2) why are we so f...ing awesome

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complete this sonnet through in Shakespeare's form

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these last two lines must end your written feat
or else I will not count it as complete

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 Post subject: Re: Ask Raven
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1) Why you, or other creative people here write stories in MTG's universe ? What's compelling about it, besides it being, you know, attached to a great boardgame ? It might be my personal tastes, but I think there are a lot of settings that are just plainly better...

What I personally love about the Magic setting is that it is basically any setting. The Multiverse is a setting of nearly infinite possibilities. The commonality is not a physical setting as in other IPs (although we do occasionally use canon locations, as well), but one of a basic metaphysical foundation that ties everything together. I write in the MTG universe/multiverse because I can do a steampunk world, a Russian-themed world, and a back-water, vaguely medieval plane, and have the exact same character fit into each. I write in the MTG universe/multiverse because the concept of planeswalking is one of primal excitement: Humankind has always reached for what's beyond, whether it's what's beyond that river, beyond that mountain range, beyond that ocean, or beyond the stars. Planeswalkers are those who can reach beyond, they are the connection between the disconnected worlds. I write in the MTG universe/multiverse because of the nostalgia of learning the lore about a game I really enjoyed, and I felt (and still feel) is larger than that game can make it. I write in the MTG universe/multiverse because it's just free enough to be liberating, but just constricting enough to be challenging, to force my writing to be better than it would otherwise be.

But mostly, I do it because it's fun.

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2) why are we so f...ing awesome

The puns, mostly.

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I have no question but I have a game
complete this sonnet through in Shakespeare's form

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these last two lines must end your written feat
or else I will not count it as complete

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Okay.

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 Post subject: Re: Ask Raven
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very nice

my actual intent was to include the first two lines as well but it was hard to make that clear without breaking the form and this is great so A+

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razorborne wrote:
my actual intent was to include the first two lines as well but it was hard to make that clear without breaking the form and this is great so A+

Oh, sure. I can see it now.

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 Post subject: Re: Ask Raven
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razorborne wrote:
I have no question but I have a game
complete this sonnet through in Shakespeare's form

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these last two lines must end your written feat
or else I will not count it as complete

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Here's one more like what you asked for:

I have no question but I have a game,
complete this sonnet through in Shakespeare’s form,
the fourteen lines that craft its storied frame,
the rhyming scheme that constitutes the norm.
An argument is posed here at the start,
a premise and a second must protrude.
Do not forget to talk about the art
of poetry itself e’er you conclude.
Then here, as in a river bend, we turn
to change its course into the nearby trees,
which inspiration’s lightning strike now burn,
as quatrains stack upon themselves in threes.
These last two lines must end your written feat,
or else I will not count it as complete.


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 Post subject: Re: Ask Raven
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razorborne wrote:
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Damn.

Thanks!

Clearly, I need to get back into my MTG poetry. It has been quite a while.


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COOL POEMS ! I like the "English class" one better, though.

So, basically, the reasons you write in MTG's setting:
1) Color pie metaphysics
2) Excitement of travel between worlds.
3) Three other reasons that would apply to half of other good settings, really.

So, yeah, color pie system is very amazing. It's not really utilized in writing most of the time, though.
Travel between worlds is also really cool, but most events only happen in one world anyway. This makes shenanigans very constrained. Worlds also have little impact on the main plotlines, at least currently. They feel more like encounter locations.

I think I know a lot of settings that do those things better. Ask Huey Nomure, she'll give you a good one :V.

Also, planeswalkers are a bearable (by no means brilliant) idea, but their strict monopoly on interplanar travel is illogical and contrived. SURELY someone at least replicated the process that creates the Spark during impregnation or whatever. Also they are Mary Sues.

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 Post subject: Re: Ask Raven
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Sorry, I'm going to quickly intervene in this line of thought.

3) Three other reasons that would apply to half of other good settings, really.

I mean, why would anyone make fanfics in one good setting opposed to the other good settings? Because they like it best, or they think there's something interesting to explore in that setting. What's your point?

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So, yeah, color pie system is very amazing. It's not really utilized in writing most of the time, though.
Travel between worlds is also really cool, but most events only happen in one world anyway. This makes shenanigans very constrained. Worlds also have little impact on the main plotlines, at least currently. They feel more like encounter locations.

Are you talking about official storylines, or the M:EM ones? Because one of the reasons the M:EM exists is for doing what WotC is too coward to do *holds up the image of a revolver*
Also yes, planes are encounter locations, but for whole social and magical paradigms as well as monsters and catfaced gods.

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I think I know a lot of settings that do those things better. Ask Huey Nomure, she'll give you a good one :V.

Ok, y'all need some Homestuck, but at least Magic's structure doesn't include mindbreaking shenanigans as a baseline :D

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Also, planeswalkers are a bearable (by no means brilliant) idea, but their strict monopoly on interplanar travel is illogical and contrived. SURELY someone at least replicated the process that creates the Spark during impregnation or whatever.

Sure, SOME of the many planeswalkers may have studied the phenomenon, but I wonder if the canon leaves the basis for supposing the Spark can controlled to that extent.

* * *

Raven, what's your characters' biggest pet peeve? What about... I don't know how the reverse of a pet peeve is called, but that one?

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 Post subject: Re: Ask Raven
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Of the M:EM characters you have never written for, which one would you most like to write?

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 Post subject: Re: Ask Raven
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COOL POEMS ! I like the "English class" one better, though.

Thanks! I think I like the Assignment one a little better, too, but I'm quite fond of the metaphor near the end of the second one.

3) Three other reasons that would apply to half of other good settings, really.

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I think I know a lot of settings that do those things better.

That may very well be true, but I don't think that just because another setting might do something better is reason to abandon the first, even if I were to agree to the opinion on any one of those settings. Besides that, there's the fact that I know MTG better than most other settings. I have a strong, emotional connection to, say, Middle Earth, but I'm no expert on it. I've delved deeper in MTG lore than anything else (there may have been a time when I could have written Marvel Universe fanfic, maybe, but I'm at least a decade out of date there now) and so I'm more able to craft stories that fit here better.

Also, planeswalkers are a bearable (by no means brilliant) idea, but their strict monopoly on interplanar travel is illogical and contrived. SURELY someone at least replicated the process that creates the Spark during impregnation or whatever. Also they are Mary Sues.

I'll have to throw out the challenge flag on this. First of all, there have been and are other ways, even in canon, to move through other planes, like the Weatherlight or the Phyrexian portals, and we have some evidence (although the Revision makes this a little questionable) that beings that are powerful enough were able to move from plane to plane without a Spark, like Elder Dragons (back when that term meant anything). There are also the Eldrazi. Yawgmoth tried to do something similar to what you are describing, and tried to find a "planeswalker organ," but was unable to. So this is a theme that has been touched upon.

I also disagree about terming all planeswalkers as Mary Sues. Some are, certainly, and canon has probably more than their fair share of Mary Sues. But there is considerable depth in some of them, especially the older canon characters, and I feel we've done a good job around here of keeping most of ours out of that territory. And of course, that's even accepting the premise that a Mary Sue character is necessarily bad, which, while I think they largely are, I am not convinced that they always are.

Raven, what's your characters' biggest pet peeve? What about... I don't know how the reverse of a pet peeve is called, but that one?

Interesting. As with Barinellos's question, I'll just take a "random" sampling of my characters rather than try to tackle them all. ("Random," here, meaning the first few that I can think of a pet peeve for...)

Donagut


Lady Nasina


Orida


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Of the M:EM characters you have never written for, which one would you most like to write?

Tough question, partly because we have a lot of great characters, and partly because it makes me try to remember who I have and have not written for...

:D

So, I narrowed the list down to four, but you specifically asked for one, so I will just go with one. Please note, everyone, that I immediately crossed out anyone that I have ever written for, even in small, non-canon one-offs. This is also no indication of the quality of the characters, but more the one that jumped at to me as one that I might actually have an idea for, rather than just an acknowledgement of them being an interesting character. Anyway, enough of a preamble. Here's my pick:

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 Post subject: Re: Ask Raven
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1. What about the top three you haven't touched in canon, but you'd like to? (excluding the answer of the previous question)

2. Is there a character Raiker wouldn't mess with, even if he could without repercussions?

3. Are there tragedies Raiker eventually regretted "writing"? ("I could have done way worse" is a valid regret)

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1. What about the top three you haven't touched in canon, but you'd like to? (excluding the answer of the previous question)

I just need a quick clarification here. When you say "[that I] haven't touched in canon," does that mean I can pick a character that I have written a non-canon piece for? Or are we sticking to characters that I have never written for at all?

2. Is there a character Raiker wouldn't mess with, even if he could without repercussions?

Hmm. Tough call. Raiker is incredibly amoral and basically only cares about people insofar as they either experience his tragedies firsthand or secondhand (as a reader or in the audience of a reading). We've seen that he will not mess with The Duchess, but I'm sure that's out of fear of reprisal. Non-canon, we have seen Raiker have a soft spot for little children, so by extension, if that trait persists into canon Raiker, he might not mess with Tryst, but I somewhat suspect that canon Raiker would mess with anybody if he was sure he was going to get away with it.

3. Are there tragedies Raiker eventually regretted "writing"? ("I could have done way worse" is a valid regret)

I might try to tackle this one tomorrow. It's given me some ideas...

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I just need a quick clarification here. When you say "[that I] haven't touched in canon," does that mean I can pick a character that I have written a non-canon piece for? Or are we sticking to characters that I have never written for at all?

Yes, the only characters you can't name are the ones that you've already written a canon piece for, so characters that only have featured in your non-canon stories are allowed.

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Glad to hear it! It was one of the purposes of this thread, right? :)

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1. What about the top three you haven't touched in canon, but you'd like to? (excluding the answer of the previous question)

Okay, so here we go. Usual caveats apply, with the additional note that this is my top three list today. Were I to make this list in a month, or six months, or maybe even tomorrow, it might change.

#3


#2


#1


3. Are there tragedies Raiker eventually regretted "writing"? ("I could have done way worse" is a valid regret)

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@raiker: man, even when you just write a vignette like this, you deliver. Just the idea of Raiker breaking apart the life cycle of an entire plane only to realize that he literally killed his audience is chilling. Am I understanding correctly that the whole plane is still there, but just a lifeless wasteland? Could be interesting to see a Planeswalker discover it.

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Raven, if your characters were Smash Bros characters, what would their move sets be? Alternatively, if you haven't played a Smash Brothers game, could you? If not, I'll take the first question in MOBA game form.

If you had to populate a sitcom with M:EM characters, what would be your main cast?

Is Raiker strictly a poetry man? Does he do novels? Essays? Drinking diddies? Political cartoons?

...

Also, planeswalkers are a bearable (by no means brilliant) idea, but their strict monopoly on interplanar travel is illogical and contrived. ...

So contrived that WOTC has now gone back and made sparkless planeswalking a thing again. Finally.

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Aaarrrgh wrote:
@raiker: man, even when you just write a vignette like this, you deliver. Just the idea of Raiker breaking apart the life cycle of an entire plane only to realize that he literally killed his audience is chilling.

Thanks! It's particularly chilling, I think, that Raiker's regret in the whole thing is not what he's done, but rather that he left no one to appreciate it. The fact that the morality of his actions do not seem to register with him is even more disturbing, particularly when it's so clear that he knows those actions bring tragedy.

I don't know about you, but I'm starting to think this Raiker's not a very nice fellow...

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Am I understanding correctly that the whole plane is still there, but just a lifeless wasteland?

I picture it as a plane with no animal life whatsoever, but I think natural things like grass and trees probably were just fine (for a while, at least. Obviously, in all likelihood, everything natural would eventually struggle without the rest of the ecosystem to support it).

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Could be interesting to see a Planeswalker discover it.

I can just see Annalee V'ray showing up on this plane shortly after everything happened, and finding Raiker's book just lying around somewhere.

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Raven, if your characters were Smash Bros characters, what would their move sets be? Alternatively, if you haven't played a Smash Brothers game,

I played the original Smash Bros once in college, and remember nothing about the controls.

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Alternatively, if you haven't played a Smash Brothers game, could you?

Could I? Could I play a Smash Bros game? Not well, I'm sure, and I have no easy access to any of them. So realistically, no, I don't suppose I could.

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If not, I'll take the first question in MOBA game form.

I don't play those, either. Sorry. Luckily, CKY's got us covered: here.

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If you had to populate a sitcom with M:EM characters, what would be your main cast?

I have, on two separate occasions, tried to plan out an M:EM sitcom set in a high school with the various M:EM characters being either students or teachers. In the most recent iteration, the "main characters" were Daneera, Beryl, Aloise, Sharaka, and Aria. It never got past the planning stages.

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Is Raiker strictly a poetry man? Does he do novels? Essays? Drinking diddies? Political cartoons?

We've only seen him write poetry, and I suspect he sticks to that as an area of expertise. Something about the rhythm appeals to him fundamentally, I think.


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