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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:31 pm 
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Alright. So there is a real sense that people could try pushing a lynch on Fred then.

Obviously I am opposed to this, but we'll see what happens when more get in here and conversate.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:31 pm 
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im assuming the spoopy vote shenanigans on d1 was all your fault then

you dont have to answer that

but im going to operate under those assumptions

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:34 pm 
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altimis wrote:
Silly wrote:
but its not as if i cant make long term plans

So does that mean you're no longer a potential customer?

i still am

i think?

unless im misunderstanding and your ability prevents me from posting at all?


i dont need to vote to make plans
or to use abilities to make plans

but if your ability prevents me from posting

pls no

without spam i am nothing

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:34 pm 
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In short, my comment about freddeh is moot.

Some vote shenanigans was me. Some of them actually weren't me.
Yes I was complaining to zinger numerous times.

So there may be another person who can manipulate votes. Probably not to the same degree as me, but something. Or just a role blocker or something. All I can say is that D1 not everything was my fault ;-;

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:35 pm 
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@silly pk needs 3 consecutive no kills to win,right?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:36 pm 
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Alright. So there is a real sense that people could try pushing a lynch on Fred then.

Obviously I am opposed to this, but we'll see what happens when more get in here and conversate.

i have always been of the opinion that any fred wagon needs to happen at the beginning of the day

even if there is a chance of him being mafia

the risk of trying to drive towards a lynch that could potentially have very convoluted requirements of actually working
is not worth it unless its basically confirmed that he is mafia

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:37 pm 
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Fred could have used his daykill to kill a more active player which would help nix conversation by removing activity (in the form of an active player). This nets Fred town points imo.

Hadn't thought of it that way actually. I concede your logic.

As for Silly, the issue revolving around Silly is one of reaction trolling from Fred as well as Silly's role. Silly's reaction to Fred was non-town like, and Silly's role is very much something mafia could have (a mafia cop isn't unheard of, especially one that gets as much info as, say, the entire design file on a role). PK being the target is NAI, but suffice it to say mafia would be just as interested in PK as town would be.

I would feel silly to be more scummy if he were still pushing for a PK lynch after this (since PK keeps claiming to want to help town), and he could have easily used the points rag made about PK a few pages ago to support his earlier claims about PK, but now silly is voting for himself and seems disinterested. Obviously this could be a tactic to make people second-guess his scumminess since people have turned on him. I'm just not 100% convinced yet.

I think we need more people who have read over this novel of a backlog to chime in. so much has happened already, especially since PK entered into the scene. It's hard to remember all the shit that's transpired.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:40 pm 
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@silly pk needs 3 consecutive no kills to win,right?

i think so

not 100% certain on the exact mechanics since the wording is not exact

but a successful lynch should delay pk for a few days
so you dont have to worry about paying attention to him unless for some reason you no lynch a lot

one caveat could be

if you have two days of nobody dead
and then you try to lynch somebody on day 3 but some shenanigans happen
for example they "die" but actually go to limbo

then pk could accidentally win

but as far as im aware his role can't manufacture that scenario by itself

so there would have to be outside shenanigans

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:41 pm 
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I do want more people to chime in. Today has very clearly been dominated by the same people. Namely Rag, Silly, PK and KOD.
Not that that's a bad thing, but we need more different opinions to make a useful day of it.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:43 pm 
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im always wary of pk

and of cult

but at this point the role seems as solved as its going to get

and not enough other people seem interested

so there is no point in pushing a lynch

really the best we're going to get from pk is either

ignoring him until we win

or on purpose going no-lynch no-lynch lynch until pk builds up enough points to cult everyone

both methods require a fair amount of trust

and are pretty vulnerable to random backstabbery

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:49 pm 
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Without doublechecking, his two minus abilities are the ones that cult people. -1 or something to return someone from the grave with a 10% chance of altering their win con. The other is -X which alters their win con but something else as well. Limited or something, wasn't it?

I'll be double checking that now.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:50 pm 
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Without doublechecking, his two minus abilities are the ones that cult people. -1 or something to return someone from the grave with a 10% chance of altering their win con. The other is -X which alters their win con but something else as well. Limited or something, wasn't it?

I'll be double checking that now.

-1, revive someone, 10% chance to cult permanently that increases per day
-x, cult living player temporarily for x days

obviously not true cult, but similar

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Originally Posted by Silly


So -X is for oh so many days. -1 starts as a 10% chance and stacks each consecutive day (which seems odd to me as consecutive day would suggest that he'd have to use it each day to stack the % up otherwise it'll drop back down to its base).


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PK, I know you're under no obligation to be honest (except for potentially being punished), but could you expand on the -1 ability?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:55 pm 
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if you are thinking about what i think you are thinking about

the -x ability is probably more relevant

but you could be thinking about something completely different

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I have been playing some arams lately again myself actually, haven't gotten around to relearning the meta/etc enough for SR, kinda waiting for the big update in a couple weeks for that, but I could be convinced for some SR at some point ;).

SILLY AND SNEAKY

Iirc what I read was that Sneaky was the one trying to move back to me, not silly. That said, sillys self vote is awful especially when its obvious that silly hasn't given up. Sneaky's push is NAI, I could see that perspective coming from either alignment honestly. KoD has accurately articulated my reasoning for thinking silly should be lynched otherwise.

PK, DEATH, AND DYING

So, the way I read sillys dump on PKs role was that he just needed 3 days where no one died during the day. Not consecutively, not caring whether someone is in the GY, but on a given day, if no one dies, he gets progress toward his win. I may have been reading it wrong but I've been seeing a few people act under the assumption that he needs to have no one in the GY at all to get progress, and I'm not sure that that's true. I prefer to look at the worst possible scenario and go from there. As such, if its looking like there won't be a lynch I'm not afraid to nom some more people I think are scummy.

Outside of that, I'm on the wagon of 'meh, now that we know (hopefully), I'd rather focus on killing mafia'. I mean, PK COULD be mafia playing the super long con at this point, and silly his teammate. That is not completely outside of the realm of possibility.

KOD AND ALTIMIS

While I have some reservations about KoD's alignment changing on his revival, I'd easily put him and Alti as my main town core and will go down with the ship if I'm wrong.

RAG

Rag I'm having trouble reading, but the stubbornness about PK to the exclusion of basically everything else is really getting on my nerves.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:57 pm 
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and by "if you are thinking about what i am thinking about"

i mean

questioning the mechanics and feasibility of the "everybody group hug pk win" scenario

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:59 pm 
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@fred

if it looks like nothing is happening by say

tuesday night

just kill me

(this is assuming that i remember correctly that the deadline is wednesday)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:00 pm 
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its pretty obvious that there is some shenaniganery going on

with people being dead and not dead and in limbo

so getting killed is probably not too bad

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:01 pm 
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at this point i would rather somebody die

and it that person has to be me

then meh

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