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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:43 am 
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I hadn't thought about it before you brought it up but yah I have lost a few more games recently and I'm sure now it's due to the matchmaking. Not many loses just more. Pridemates have eaten more removal lately but that's not horrible considering there are 4 to draw. Lifegain has it's importance in if anything keeping me alive while I craft my board. This deck like Kryder's doesn't like to block. Looking at yours, and I know you are shying away from burning wildcards, I say moor Marshals. Stacking them has been the key in so many wins. I multiples they make the weenies very relevant and they attract removal which can end up being a good thing for the Leonins and Angels.
One weird thing in the matchmaking is that I've been hit way more with Ass Trophy which ends up helping me get to six mana and set off the Angels. Lyra has been obviously perfect for that also. I didn't have more wildcards to burn for her but got her as a reward and of course I must mention Shalai.
She Must take the removal and that one turn can seriously tempo down your opponent and there's always the chance that next turn you can replace her on the battlefield. Moment of Triumph has been amazing. It's there more for the Pridemates than anything else but I'm not elitist with it.
Perfect draw that happens so often is Hawk, Pridemate, Marshal, Resplendent, mana... attacking with a 2/2 Hawk and 4/4 Pridemate t3 has its advantages. I find myself holding my Angels a bit more often these days until I get a Marshal or two on board. 3/3 is way to easy to burn but with an Angel when you hit 6 mana its pretty much good game.
One more thing and that is the Bonds and Tribunals. They seem to me a very very useful must because like I said this deck doesn't want to block so shutting down or removing their threats is the way to go.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:34 am 
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Yeah, you're both high on Pridemates and I'm not. I'm probably biased for I never bothered about opposing Pridemates. Ignoring their goldfish potential, how much damage do they really get through? I like my 2-drop knights better, even the common one that grants the one-time pump. Could be stupid ignorance ;)
Adanto is beyond doubt imo.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:57 pm 
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I'm a fan of Adanto. I used it extensively in Orzhov Vampires. People don't like blocking it I've noticed. Pridemates are great in that they grow so big so quick in this deck they end up either getting in extensive damage or eat removal to make way for better cards. I was on the Pegasus bandwagon for a while in that they could make flying Pridemates but it tempoed down the deck a little too much to my liking. 3cmc is crowded enough.

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One more thing may change. I may take out one Hawk and put another Lyra in. It's good to have a backup Lyra I have learned and too many Hawks can be a .... not bad, but not wanted thing sometimes. Really honestly not sure about doing that but it's the only thing else I would.

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I reeeeeeeaaally need a way to finish those durdlers' last hitpoints.. I happen to have 7 rare Boros lands.. should I splash Banefire?


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Yah I'm thinking two Legendary is the sweet spot. I see Shalai enough when I need her and I just scored a mythic wildcard from a win pack! Think I'm going to make that Lyra/Hawk swap after I get done with this constructed event.

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I reeeeeeeaaally need a way to finish those durdlers' last hitpoints.. I happen to have 7 rare Boros lands.. should I splash Banefire?

If your in the seven range Resplendent should be boogying ass and you shouldn't have any problems getting those few more points in. I win by concedes by that point mostly. Or.... you kamakasi the deck from the get go and pummel your way through those end points.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:22 am 
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Sol77_bla wrote:
I reeeeeeeaaally need a way to finish those durdlers' last hitpoints.. I happen to have 7 rare Boros lands.. should I splash Banefire?

If your in the seven range Resplendent should be boogying ass and you shouldn't have any problems getting those few more points in. I win by concedes by that point mostly. Or.... you kamakasi the deck from the get go and pummel your way through those end points.

Thing is, she is Mythic and from a set I'm not going to draft anytime soon :(


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:06 am 
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Do you think, WW still has game in Standard these days?

The last successful deck was this from Youngprodigy on a *** event on MtGO, on October, 13th.

https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=20274&d=332517&f=ST

Back then everything was Golgari and maybe the matchup is a good one, especially with Tocatlis. But now that there's so much Izzet (Arclight Phoenix) and RDW (Arena problem), it feels stupid to play WW. Not sure if I've surpassed the threshold at which Constructed Event opponents are softer than on the ladder, but given that I miss 10 Rares and 2 Mythics from that list, I doubt that.


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Right now there is a version that splashes red for Heroic Reinforcements, you can check the latest list here: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/a ... 2018-11-04
I tested it and it works reasonably well in Bo1, but nothing insane.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:32 am 
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Ah thanks for reminding me. I think I read about that, too.

But while I have all the Boros lands and a full playset of Heroic Reinforcements as well, I'm in the same position as with the mono versions: I lack several Rares for the main deck and filling the gaps with what I have has led to unfortunate matchmaking. I'd like to blame some losses on piloting, but tbh I don't see that many ingame decisions to be made with this deck.

Maybe my mulliganing sucks. But otherwise.. as a 1-drop I prefer a 2/1 on the play and the Hawk on the draw. T2 if I have options, I decide based on enemy mana colors. If there's red in it (Shock), I like to play a 1-drop and keep mana for Moment of Triumph (if available). Otherwise Adanto > Knight if I see Control colors. Knight if there are creatures or Golgari. T3 History before Lord when there is no mana that represents Counters. If there is, I rather play a 1- and a 2-drop. I avoid over-extending when the opponents looks like he'll play a sweeper.

Unless there is an effect on the combat step, I obviously use the 2nd main phase.. so please, do you spot anything wrong?

My tracked session yesterday was 3-6 in Free Play with 2-3 losses before that. Opponents either had top meta decks or got lucky and got to play the best third of their potentially incomplete decks.

After that I went back to Merfolk in Constructed Event, which provides better results ;)


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Sol77_bla wrote:
I'd like to blame some losses on piloting, but tbh I don't see that many ingame decisions to be made with this deck.

Yah there's not many of those. It's a pretty straightforward smash face deck. I regularly recommend it to the new players on the Discord channel for that reason.

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My tracked session yesterday was 3-6 in Free Play with 2-3 losses before that. Opponents either had top meta decks or got lucky and got to play the best third of their potentially incomplete decks.

After that I went back to Merfolk in Constructed Event, which provides better results ;)

It happens a lot to me as well. Of course I'm very far from a "pro player" (whatever that is), but I seem to have loss streaks as well as winning ones. It's kind of random, I can go on a losing rampage with my best deck, or win with junk. It doesn't always have to mean a lot (except when you play a lot of matches - more than 25 or so with same deck).


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One of the big points of this deck is the speed. You win quick or take a loss but you kind of already know it and it's fine to concede and move on. For me that's so much better than trying to play an hour long control game when I get home from work. I have wife and kids and critters.

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One of the big points of this deck is the speed. You win quick or take a loss but you kind of already know it and it's fine to concede and move on. For me that's so much better than trying to play an hour long control game when I get home from work. I have wife and kids and critters.

I agree, even without kids and critters :)


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Right now there is a version that splashes red for Heroic Reinforcements, you can check the latest list here: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/a ... 2018-11-04
I tested it and it works reasonably well in Bo1, but nothing insane.

So I decided to try Bayesta_93's deck out (within my Collection's abilities) and it went well yesterday.

What I had to do:
Get those uncommon 2/1 1-drops.. cost of 5 wildcards, but as I talked about earlier in this thread, they absolutely are better than their low-power cousins.
Replace missing Rares/Mythics with what I had, so:

-2 History of Benalia
-1 Benalish Marshal
-2 Legion's Landing
-1 Conclave Tribunal (yes, uncommon, but easy to replace imo, I mostly use lands anyway)

+2 Banefire, they are in his sideboard anyway and they are amazing as expected. They finish those ~5 HP durdlers eventually.. loooooong before they even dream of doing 20 damage themselves.
+2 Experimental Frenzy, also from his sideboard, only resolved one so far and that was against an opposing Frenzy who could make more out of it due to his Runaway Steam-Kin. Not so sure about this one, I just happen to have them.. and I'm way beyond 4 copies ;)
+1 Tajic, Legion's Edge, he's nice but no Marshal, denies Chainwhirler collateral.
+1 Aurelia, Exemplar of Justice, last minute inclusion that was supposed to be Ixalan's Binding for a 1:1 replacement. I just received her as an ICR when I cashed in my Merfolk run before putting this deck together. She came up once and I'm not too sure of her value. I'd have prefered Ixalan's Binding several times, also over Conclave Tribunal. Lost one game where I exiled the Frenzy of a hellbent opponent (chose it over Rekindling Phoenix, thoughts on that?) only to have him topdeck another.

I went directly into Constructed Event because screw matchmaking. Went 4-3 and 7-0.

These are the losses:

the Garm brood

the Tiamat brood

and the Jormungand brood


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I had a similar result a week ago or so, a 4-3 run, 2x lost from RDW, once from Golgari. I think it certainly has potential!


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Yah about all I saw last night were mono red decks.

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Yah about all I saw last night were mono red decks.

Yeah, the meta is obnoxious...

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For those not familiar, losses are on the left-hand side. And don't let yourself fool by the "decent" record vs RDW. When they play the fully functional version (see previous post), there's nothing you can do - despite silly piloting.. like playing the 6th Mountain as the only card in hand with Risk Factor in the GY. The wins are against lists that would qualify for Pauper.. or run the few Rares they have and don't draw them.

And even other decks are packing hate.. Fungal Infection and Moment of Craving in Constructed.. seriously.. the Adanto hate :wha:


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2 x Conclave Tribunal
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4 x Ajani's Pridemate
4 x Moment of Triumph
4 x Benalish Marshal
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