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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:14 am 
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Anyone getting Asset Error when they log in to Arena? I get one about 2/3s of the time.

It is currently happening for the second time to me.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:11 am 
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Ugh, can't enjoy the game right now. The threats are too strong. A single unanswered threat snowballs very quickly - Omnath for example is very dangerous to leave alive, Lotus Cobra, the 4/4 Rogue that animates from opponent's graveyard, and so on. It used to be that only planeswalkers did this, but now it seems like everyone and their mothers have such threats. It's not that they are unanswerable, but rather that they demand an immediate answer or you lose.

Wish there was another game to play ...


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:28 am 
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The developer for a game once told me that if I didnt like his games balance in it's current state that I could go play Civ IV. I played Civ IV for about 2 years before going back to the other game.

All I'm saying is, there are other games

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:26 pm 
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Yeah I've been messing around with other brews and basically burned an entire day yesterday casting about for something to play. It's been a frustrating couple of weeks because there have effectively been two rotations: the actual one, and then the post-Uro rotation, which dramatically altered the metagame. To me it feels like Wizards have over-corrected and sucked the life right out of the meta.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:03 pm 
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sixty4half wrote:
The developer for a game once told me that if I didnt like his games balance in it's current state that I could go play Civ IV. I played Civ IV for about 2 years before going back to the other game.

All I'm saying is, there are other games


Yeah, I'm already playing other games, always have been. I've been spending less time on Magic, typically only getting 4 wins a day and then logging off. I'm not above conceding within the first two turns. It's just that I have to keep playing if I want to fill my mastery tree, and I want to do that as long as there's a chance I continue with Magic, which will be the case until I find another game to commit to.

It took me quite some time to quit Hearthstone too, for the same reason.

@niatpac Uro definitely needed the ban, he's one of those threats that win immediately if unanswered. Well maybe that's a bit harsh, getting hit by Uro once is not nearly as threatening as getting hit by Winota, but still - Uro is a threat that snowballs quickly, another in a long series of cards with "on your untap step, you win the game".


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:16 pm 
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Honestly I was having fun watching people sit in pause after I used Scorching Dragonfire or Spikefall Hazard to exile their T2/3 Uro.

But no, seriously, I'm glad that thing is gone.

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Uro needed a ban...but at the same time, Omnath decks just readjusted by running other cards while control decks that had Uro as a wincon were left out to dry. It's really Omnath that needed ban, but they couldn't do that, so they made a compromise. All these compromises have led us to the current standard meta. That's what I mean by "overcorrected" – in the context of all the cards banned in standard. Once Upon a Time, Fires of Invention, Cauldron familiar, growth spiral, and maybe Wilderness reclamation don't have the same need to be banned as before rotation. I'm not saying they shouldn't be banned, just that there is less of a need now. Cauldron familiar and growth spiral are probably fine. Once Upon a Time may still be broken, but that card was fun to play with so I don't mind having it back. Fires and Wilderness Rec are edge cases. But I don't Fires is as broken as it once was.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:49 am 
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Uro needed a ban...but at the same time, Omnath decks just readjusted by running other cards while control decks that had Uro as a wincon were left out to dry. It's really Omnath that needed ban, but they couldn't do that, so they made a compromise. All these compromises have led us to the current standard meta. That's what I mean by "overcorrected" – in the context of all the cards banned in standard. Once Upon a Time, Fires of Invention, Cauldron familiar, growth spiral, and maybe Wilderness reclamation don't have the same need to be banned as before rotation. I'm not saying they shouldn't be banned, just that there is less of a need now. Cauldron familiar and growth spiral are probably fine. Once Upon a Time may still be broken, but that card was fun to play with so I don't mind having it back. Fires and Wilderness Rec are edge cases. But I don't Fires is as broken as it once was.


I believe Growth Spiral and Wilderness Reclamation rotated with the release of Zendikar Rising, so the only cards currently banned in Standard are Once Upon a Time, Oko, Fires, Cat and Uro. I understand your point though, especially Cauldron Familiar now that Mayhem Devil and Priest rotated.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:40 pm 
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Oops...the expansion symbols have gotten so damn generic I thought those cards were in Theros. Wizards should really update their banned and restricted list.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:25 pm 
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I think the banned & restricted list Wizards has is for paper Magic, where ZNR hasn't been released yet. In a short while (?) it should be updated.


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Banedon wrote:
I think the banned & restricted list Wizards has is for paper Magic, where ZNR hasn't been released yet. In a short while (?) it should be updated.

I wonder if that's why the Import Deck feature is screwed up cuz it's hard to import decks with ZNR cards

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:12 am 
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The post-ban meta looks surprisingly balanced: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=27583&d=419165&f=ST

I remain skeptical Omnath isn't the best deck, but might have to acknowledge Wizards was right on this one.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:29 pm 
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Banedon wrote:
The post-ban meta looks surprisingly balanced: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=27583&d=419165&f=ST

I remain skeptical Omnath isn't the best deck, but might have to acknowledge Wizards was right on this one.


Looking at the 2020 Grand Season finals (https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=27653&f=ST), I lied.

32 players, 9 non-Omnath decks. RIP.


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Oh YAY, I love it when they release the new tournaments decklists....... That's all you're gonna run into for the next 2 weeks ffs

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wouldn't worry too much, i doubt the deck is gonna be standard legal by Monday, let alone 2 weeks haha

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I watched the historic rounds... Yasharn is one hell of a tech shuttung down Jund coco, Arcanist and Neostorm.

Standard.... yuuuk!

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I watched the historic rounds... Yasharn is one hell of a tech shuttung down Jund coco, Arcanist and Neostorm.

Standard.... yuuuk!


I was literally looking over my collection and trying to find some build around jank, and I read the 2nd part of Yasharn and was like "WTF is that a counter for?" right before coming here.

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As a surprise to literally no one, there is a ban announcement today for Standard, historic and brawl

Definitely Omnath, but the question is how much goes with it?

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Maybe clover because that's what everyone will jump to after an Omnath ban. It just generates too much value for a 2cmc artifact

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I've generally not liked Clover, mainly because the deck feels so different if you have Clover. Like, without Clover the deck is pretty mediocre, with Clover it goes into turbo mode, with two Clovers it becomes unfun to play against. Furthermore in the Adventures mirror, the player with more Clovers wins.

That said, Clover has been around for a while and hasn't been too dominant a deck, so I'm not convinced it needs a ban.


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