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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:22 am 
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Looks good, you are probably right on the extra red sources, I look forward to seeing it on the channel. I can tell you that cleansing has solved the issue of a resolved obelisk against us and also makes me more confident in only 1 angelic edict.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:09 am 
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I have only played one game with it so far but the mana felt good, Cleansing is definitely castable.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 10:32 am 
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Totally think the addition of the cleansings was the right move. (If I needed to repeat that..)

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 10:47 am 
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It's not like we didn't want them in here, we were just realistic. The old list had minor problems casting Baneslayer from time-to-time. Now we have Frontier Bivouac and Mystic Monastery, which is very important.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 10:50 am 
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That is really quite interesting, I cut thunder #4 and visions #4 too. Both cards are good at scaling but just bad if drawn in multiples.

Although my mana needs are different in some ways, all three of us agree 11 is the correct number for white sources, and I am at 13 red sources, in between Hakeem's 14 and Monk's 12.

I am at 9 green and 5 black though, compared to 8G/3B for Hakeem and 8G/4B for Monk. I might try to cut back to 8/4.

My blue mana needs are somewhat different because of nullify and archaeomancer. I am at 17 blue sources and I still frequently grab an island via visions so that I can counter multiple spells per turn.

I have never been a big fan of Angelic Edict, and I wouldn't run it even before fitting cleansing into my deck. Nevertheless, I think it is an obvious candidate for a cut from Monkeem now that you have 2 cleansings. Both cards are expensive board removal that will usually tap you out. I don't think you need 3 cards devoted to that.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 11:43 am 
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You could be right about angelic edict. I hadn't tested enough with cleansing to know. But edict is your only good answer to Kozilek in a control mirror.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 11:55 am 
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Edict is definitely one of the first cuttable cards but it is hard removal, it hits enchantments, and the exile is often relevant. I've never been sad to see it.

@HenWen why play Archaeomancer in this deck now that Warden is in the pool? It's bigger, is easier on the blue mana if you want to grab Dissolve, and can get back your Obelisk if you have to Cleanse it.

I may actually try a Warden in place of the fourth Inspiration.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 1:20 pm 
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Monk - Kozilek is a one of threat and you are talking about a one of answer.
I run suffer partially to deal with this situation. I have a counter for Kozilek 95% of the time and simply exile him once he hits the GY, before he reshuffles.
You guys already have anger in your decklist. Anger is of marginal utility in the control mirror, so it should be pretty easy to hold on to it by the time your opponent can cast Kozi. Anger + ground assault achieves the same thing as Edict, and both cards are much better independently.

I do rarely lose a game because my opponent casts Kozi multiple times in quick succession, but I do not want a one of answer here.

Hakeem - Archaeomancer vs Warden is tricky. TBH the difference is not that huge, if you want to go for warden go ahead. The UU mana cost is rarely an issue for me because I run 17 blue sources. If warden were 3/4 and could survive anger I would probably run it.

The reason is 100% due to mana cost. The difference between 4 and 5 mana may not be so steep, but once you add another spell you want to cast in the same turn it can really add up.
Here is the "total cost" of the main spells I use Archaeomancer to recur:
5 mana: shock
6 mana: nullify, ground assault
7 mana: dissolve, anger, hardcast thunder
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10 mana: planar cleansing

Warden adds 1 mana to total cost. This is actually a big deal, because it turns all the 7 mana plays into 8 mana plays. And my deck already has a lot of stuff I do at 8 mana: for example, obelisk + nullify open, rhox + traumatic visions open. I tested Warden for a few games and, since I do not want to tap out to cast him, I found the larger body was not worth the mana cost.
Getting Obelisk back is some additional value, but if the game is so close that I can't protect my obelisk then I generally will want to recur dissolve or a board wipe.

Also this is for steam. A) I do not face a ton of aggro decks B) most opponents will have quality removal that can kill either a 1/2 or a 3/3.

Overall the difference between 'mancer and warden is pretty small. I won't say it is wrong to run warden, I just prefer having access to my spells at a lower mana cost.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:55 am 
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[manapie 90 w u -b r g][/manapie]

WRUG Tokens

A deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (15 :creature: , 22 :instant: , 23 :land:)

Cost 18 cards
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Young Pyromancer2/1
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Krenko's Command
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Raise the Alarm
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Reprisal
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Think Twice
Cost 9 cards
Brimaz, King of Oreskos3/4
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Chasm Skulker1/1
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Goblin Rabblemaster2/2
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Mentor of the Meek2/2
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Beastmaster Ascension
Cost 5 cards
Master of Waves2/1
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Ogre Battledriver3/3
Talrand, Sky Summoner2/2
Bident of Thassa
Cost 1 card
Mycoloth4/4
Cost 4 cards
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Triplicate Spirits
Land23 cards
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Frontier Bivouac
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Jungle Shrine
■■■
Mystic Monastery
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Seaside Citadel
2
Forest
4
Island
4
Mountain
4
Plains


Been trying to figure out the ultimate token-deck. I think there's probably more optimal options in pure Boros, Selesnya or even Gruul (and not to mention, mono-white fggotry), but I've been having alot of fun with this Jeskai-version with a splash of green. There's a lot of synergy between most of the cards, a decent amount of draw, and some fun tricks.
The Battledriver is probably the real MVP of this deck. Combo him with Triplicate, Mycoloth or Reprisal on a beefy Chasm Skulker for some good fun.
The mana is okay, but you can lose some tempo with all the tap-lands.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 11:41 am 
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Aight, sorry for rehashing yet another exhausted archetype. :P I just have absolutely nothing better to do with my life than to play dotp and post stuff on forums.

If you didn't think there was enough RNG in this game already, I give you my take on Warp World.

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Max Permanents

A deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (19 :creature: , 19 :instant: , 22 :land:)

Cost 1 card
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Elixir of Immortality
Cost 4 cards
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Courier's Capsule
Cost 15 cards
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Attended Knight2/2
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Coral Barrier1/3
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Cultivate
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Darksteel Ingot
Cost 2 cards
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Ogre Battledriver3/3
Cost 11 cards
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Bear's Companion2/2
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Warden of the Eye3/3
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Meteorite
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Raised by Wolves
Cost 3 cards
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Captain of the Watch3/3
Inferno Titan6/6
Cost 2 cards
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Warp World
Land22 cards
7
Forest
7
Island
3
Mountain
5
Plains


Just ramp, squeeze out as many permanents as possible, hope you draw WW and hope you dig into battledriver. Gambling is fuuuun..!
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 1:28 pm 
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I think you want enough red sources to go off with warp world, I think that is at least 14 if you count the ingots and meteorites


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 2:22 pm 
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I actually disagree.... I'm not sure about this deck, but I think 3-4 is sufficient for mountains in this deck. That said, I have no idea why there are no tri or dual lands here.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 2:38 pm 
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Monk: You're probably right. I don't really know what I'm doing when I'm balancing lands making decks. :P

DJ: Because you usually end up getting a bunch of land after WW, which would preferably be untapped.

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Kjersleif wrote:
Monk: You're probably right. I don't really know what I'm doing when I'm balancing lands. :P

DJ: Because you usually end up getting a bunch of land after WW, which would preferably be untapped.


Ah, roger that. I guess that makes sense then. :-)


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 3:33 pm 
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Idk, I just saw Monk do it in his WW build :P

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[manapie 90 w u -b r g][/manapie]

Win Con

A deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (17 :creature: , 20 :instant: , 23 :land:)

Creature17 cards
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Elvish Visionary1/1
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Wall of Omens0/4
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Archaeomancer1/2
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Species Gorger6/6
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Warden of the Eye3/3
Inferno Titan6/6
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Pelakka Wurm7/7
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth12/12
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Genesis Hydra0/0
Spell20 cards
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Cloudshift
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Ground Assault
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Think Twice
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Anger of the Gods
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Cultivate
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Dissolve
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Angelic Edict
Time Warp
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Planar Cleansing
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Warstorm Surge
Land23 cards
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Frontier Bivouac
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Jungle Shrine
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Mystic Monastery
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Seaside Citadel
5
Forest
2
Island
3
Mountain
3
Plains


Re-edited this version of a surge deck, cut the Bear's Companion because it was too slow. Add Timewarp as another win con (hence the name). Warden of Eye is added for another way to get Surge back (or Time Warp). Kozilek was added for recycling because this deck has dead cards in the graveyard without him. Genisis Hydra is there as a way to get Surge faster.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 5:15 pm 
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What's funny, I thought that I'm gonna be the 1st to post an Ink-Treader Warstorm Surge + Bear's Companion deck ;-)

But to be honest, I need help on improving it, I really apreciate any tips on how to improve this one:

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Bear Surge

A one vs. one deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (20 :creature: , 16 :instant: , 24 :land:)

Cost 4 cards
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Cloudshift
Cost 7 cards
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Elvish Visionary1/1
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Wall of Omens0/4
Cost 6 cards
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Anger of the Gods
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Cultivate
Cost 2 cards
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Ogre Battledriver3/3
Cost 9 cards
Baneslayer Angel5/5
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Bear's Companion2/2
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Warden of the Eye3/3
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Angelic Edict
Cost 5 cards
Inferno Titan6/6
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Planar Cleansing
■■
Warstorm Surge
Cost 3 cards
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Pelakka Wurm7/7
Land24 cards
■■■
Frontier Bivouac
■■■
Jungle Shrine
■■■
Mystic Monastery
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Seaside Citadel
5
Forest
2
Island
2
Mountain
3
Plains


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 8:27 pm 
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What's funny, I thought that I'm gonna be the 1st to post an Ink-Treader Warstorm Surge + Bear's Companion deck ;-)

But to be honest, I need help on improving it, I really apreciate any tips on how to improve this one:

[manapie 90 w u -b r g][/manapie]

Bear Surge

A one vs. one deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (20 :creature: , 16 :instant: , 24 :land:)

Cost 4 cards
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Cloudshift
Cost 7 cards
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Elvish Visionary1/1
■■■
Wall of Omens0/4
Cost 6 cards
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Anger of the Gods
■■■■
Cultivate
Cost 2 cards
■■
Ogre Battledriver3/3
Cost 9 cards
Baneslayer Angel5/5
■■■
Bear's Companion2/2
■■■
Warden of the Eye3/3
■■■■
Angelic Edict
Cost 5 cards
Inferno Titan6/6
■■
Planar Cleansing
■■
Warstorm Surge
Cost 3 cards
■■■
Pelakka Wurm7/7
Land24 cards
■■■
Frontier Bivouac
■■■
Jungle Shrine
■■■
Mystic Monastery
■■■
Seaside Citadel
5
Forest
2
Island
2
Mountain
3
Plains


Take a look at the Warden Surge deck I posted a few pages back.

The list started off as a Warstorm Surge + Bear's Companion deck, but slowly became less and less focused on them and more and more focused on Warden of the Eye and the combo it has with Surge + Cloudshift, and Packleader + Cloudshift.

Lets see if I can find the most recent version to link to you.

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Warden Surge

A one vs. one deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (17 :creature: , 19 :instant: , 24 :land:)

Cost 6 cards
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Cloudshift
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Shock
Cost 3 cards
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Ground Assault
Cost 12 cards
■■■
Rhox War Monk3/4
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Woolly Thoctar5/4
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Anger of the Gods
■■■■
Cultivate
Cost 8 cards
Baneslayer Angel5/5
■■■
Garruk's Packleader4/4
Stormbreath Dragon4/4
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Warden of the Eye3/3
Cost 3 cards
Inferno Titan6/6
■■
Warstorm Surge
Cost 4 cards
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Genesis Hydra0/0
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Banefire
Land24 cards
■■■
Frontier Bivouac
■■■
Jungle Shrine
■■■
Mystic Monastery
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Seaside Citadel
3
Forest
2
Island
3
Mountain
4
Plains


The deck was originally built around Bear's Companion + Warstorm Surge, with support from Cloudshift and Species Gorger.

The more and more I played it though the more and more it became obvious that the combos were where the real power in this deck was, so I went more in that direction, dropping Species Gorger, Bear's Companion, and some of the filler cards that were there to work with Gorger like Visionary.

Surge + Warden + Cloudshift is 3 damage to target creature or player for every :w: you have on the table, and can be done an infinite number of times as long as Warden doesn't eat removal or Cloudshift doesn't get countered. Warden + Packleader + Cloudshift is equally good, draw a card for every :w: you have on the table, again, infinitely unless Warden/Packleader get removed.

If you really wanted to work Bear's Companion back into the list it wouldn't be too difficult, and it is actually pretty good as a combo with Surge + Cloudshift. Cast Companion to get a 2/2 and a 4/4 and do 6 damage with Surge, then Cloudshift to get another 4/4 and do another 6 damage with Surge.

I ended up cutting Bear's Companion because they were somewhat slow outside of when we had Surge on the table. They ended up playing a more defensive role, which isn't what I wanted for the deck, so they got replaced by some more aggressive creatures.

-1 Cultivate
-1 Stormbreath Dragon
-1 Banefire

+3 Bear's Compaion

Is what I would do if I wanted to works Companion back into the list I just posted.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 5:40 pm 
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Hi, I'm new here and this is my first deck to be posted here.

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Land Kill

A one vs. one deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (17 :creature: , 20 :instant: , 23 :land:)

Cost 5 cards
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Cloudshift
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Elixir of Immortality
Cost 11 cards
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Elvish Visionary1/1
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Wall of Omens0/4
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Ground Assault
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Think Twice
Cost 3 cards
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Cultivate
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Darksteel Ingot
Cost 13 cards
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Archaeomancer1/2
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Mold Shambler3/3
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Demolish
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Inspiration
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Tectonic Rift
Cost 4 cards
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Species Gorger6/6
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Warden of the Eye3/3
Cost 1 card
Charmbreaker Devils4/4
Land23 cards
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Frontier Bivouac
■■
Jungle Shrine
■■
Mystic Monastery
■■
Seaside Citadel
4
Forest
6
Island
4
Mountain
4
Plains


It's a land hate deck I've been working on for a while. Any suggestions are welcome.


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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 3:32 pm 
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Auunj wrote:
What's funny, I thought that I'm gonna be the 1st to post an Ink-Treader Warstorm Surge + Bear's Companion deck ;-)

But to be honest, I need help on improving it, I really apreciate any tips on how to improve this one:

[manapie 90 w u -b r g][/manapie]

Bear Surge

A one vs. one deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (20 :creature: , 16 :instant: , 24 :land:)

Cost 4 cards
■■■■
Cloudshift
Cost 7 cards
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Elvish Visionary1/1
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Wall of Omens0/4
Cost 6 cards
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Anger of the Gods
■■■■
Cultivate
Cost 2 cards
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Ogre Battledriver3/3
Cost 9 cards
Baneslayer Angel5/5
■■■
Bear's Companion2/2
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Warden of the Eye3/3
■■■■
Angelic Edict
Cost 5 cards
Inferno Titan6/6
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Planar Cleansing
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Warstorm Surge
Cost 3 cards
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Pelakka Wurm7/7
Land24 cards
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Frontier Bivouac
■■■
Jungle Shrine
■■■
Mystic Monastery
■■■
Seaside Citadel
5
Forest
2
Island
2
Mountain
3
Plains


Take a look at the Warden Surge deck I posted a few pages back.

The list started off as a Warstorm Surge + Bear's Companion deck, but slowly became less and less focused on them and more and more focused on Warden of the Eye and the combo it has with Surge + Cloudshift, and Packleader + Cloudshift.

Lets see if I can find the most recent version to link to you.

[manapie 90 w u -b r g][/manapie]

Warden Surge

A one vs. one deck for Magic 2015.

60 Cards (17 :creature: , 19 :instant: , 24 :land:)

Cost 6 cards
■■■■
Cloudshift
■■■■
Shock
Cost 3 cards
■■■
Ground Assault
Cost 12 cards
■■■
Rhox War Monk3/4
■■■
Woolly Thoctar5/4
■■
Anger of the Gods
■■■■
Cultivate
Cost 8 cards
Baneslayer Angel5/5
■■■
Garruk's Packleader4/4
Stormbreath Dragon4/4
■■■
Warden of the Eye3/3
Cost 3 cards
Inferno Titan6/6
■■
Warstorm Surge
Cost 4 cards
■■
Genesis Hydra0/0
■■
Banefire
Land24 cards
■■■
Frontier Bivouac
■■■
Jungle Shrine
■■■
Mystic Monastery
■■■
Seaside Citadel
3
Forest
2
Island
3
Mountain
4
Plains




I am really loving this deck so thank you. Although I replaced the 2 shocks with 2 Chasm Skulkers


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