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 Post subject: Raikervennian Sonnets
PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:52 pm 
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So, I've decided to develop a new form of the sonnet. The English, or Shakespearean, Sonnet, is a 14 line poem, typically in iambic pentameter, is in a rhyme scheme of ABABCDCDEFEFGG. The Italian, or Petrarchan, rather than being formed of three quatrains and a couplet, is formed of one octave and one sestet, usually in a pattern of ABBAABBA for the octave and some combination of C, D, and E for the sestet, usually CDECDE or CDCDCD, depending.

I was thinking today that an interesting twist on the sonnet would be to have a rhyming couplet, a quatrain, and second rhyming couplet, and second quatrain, and a third, final couple, in a rhyme scheme of AABCBCDDEFEFGG. Now, I have no doubt that this sort of sonnet has been written before, but to the best of my knowledge, it doesn't have a name.

I have decided that this format might work well for some of Raiker Venn's tragic poems. The reason is, the two couplet+quatrains can serve as setting up the two components, and the final couplet serves as the last tag. Raiker does seem to find two things that he can merge into a tragic event, so it works in my head. Basically, I see the set-up like this:

Couplet (intro element #1)
Quatrain (expand on element #1)
Couplet (intro element #2)
Quatrain (expand on element #2)
Couplet (wrap-up)

Here are a few examples I threw together. These are not meant to be canon, in that I am not implying that Raiker had anything to do with the described events or settings. I just wanted to practice the new form. Enjoy!

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Hahahaha, I like this form a lot! It has a great narrative structure to it. It's a kind of structure that I think would lend well to translation into comics form, actually--it's almost analogous to the setup, beat, punchline structure of strip comics, but with this intriguing elaboration to the setup and beat "panels." (I've been reading comics theory all day so I've got this on my mind. :P )


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:21 pm 
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Thanks, Keeper. Feel free to give the form a shot, if you want! :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:31 pm 
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I might if I can manage to not suck at rhyming for ten solid minutes someday :P I don't know how you do it honestly.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:39 pm 
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I might if I can manage to not suck at rhyming for ten solid minutes someday :P I don't know how you do it honestly.

Rhyming dictionaries. I wear those things out like tissue paper.

I think the most challenging poem I've written from a rhyming standpoint was Mayael's Aria. The pattern in that thing is insane. And that last stanza...so many rhymes...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:28 pm 
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...Oh yeah that's a thing that exists, isn't it?

I've literally been assuming this whole time that you just rhyme based entirely on what's in your head at the time, like a freestyle rapper >_<


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:36 pm 
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...Oh yeah that's a thing that exists, isn't it?

I've literally been assuming this whole time that you just rhyme based entirely on what's in your head at the time, like a freestyle rapper >_<


I suddenly want a story where a freestyle rapper (from Ameran?) challenges Raiker Venn to a poetry battle.

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...Oh yeah that's a thing that exists, isn't it?

I've literally been assuming this whole time that you just rhyme based entirely on what's in your head at the time, like a freestyle rapper >_<

Honestly, I do probably 4/5s of the time. I do, however, find rhyming dictionaries useful for determining where to go in those instances where I get a little stuck. As I've said before, most of the poems I've written, especially the ones you guys have seen, were written in the span of a couple hours. Some of the more complex ones take a bit longer, but usually they come pretty quickly. These Raikervennian sonnets, for instance, probably took me about half an hour each, averaging out all three. Admittedly, if I used a rhyming dictionary all the time, they would take much longer. I think I used one for two rhymes between the three poems, maybe three.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:39 pm 
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Moonbeam wrote:
...Oh yeah that's a thing that exists, isn't it?

I've literally been assuming this whole time that you just rhyme based entirely on what's in your head at the time, like a freestyle rapper >_<


I suddenly want a story where a freestyle rapper (from Ameran?) challenges Raiker Venn to a poetry battle.

That would go poorly for the rapper, I fear. Oh, the rapper may well win the battle, but...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:43 pm 
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Ameran always did have a bit of a Greek inspiration to it, and you know how things usually went for mortals who challenged the gods and won in Greek myth


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:50 pm 
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Ameran always did have a bit of a Greek inspiration to it, and you know how things usually went for mortals who challenged the gods and won in Greek myth

Actually, I could see Raiker intentionally losing the rap battle, just to make the eventual tragedy that much more poignant when he wrote his actual poem about the "winner."


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"Why have you summoned me mortal"

"I want to strike a bargain with you Dark Prince."

"It will not be cheap, I have many dark thirsts to be quenched."

"Nevermind the price, I wish that the sky rained hammers instead of water."

"...You want it to rain hammers?"

"Yes, and I will pay any cost to make it so!"

"You know what, this one's one me. Free of charge."


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*about two hours later*
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"HHHHUUUUUUUUBBBBBRRRRRIIIIIIISSSSSS"

No, this was pretty much pure stupid.

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Ahahahahaha


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Raven, thank you so, so much for making it Hammer Time.

I want to cry tears of joy, except now I can't use my usual "I'm not crying, it's just raining on my face!" excuse anymore, can I?

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Ahahaha, incredible.


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Hahaha, nice improvisation on a standing theme.

For the record, I doubt the people asked for it to rain hammers per se. They just wanted it to stop raining water. Also, apparently, they needed hammers? I don't know, Linva's a weird place...

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Wow I commented twice without realizing it and both my comments were just me laughing. Yeesh.


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Wow I commented twice without realizing it and both my comments were just me laughing. Yeesh.

Well, Pablo Neruda says that laughter is the language of the Soul.


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