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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:00 pm 
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[img:1obzvfbn]http://s20.postimg.org/dfc14mhjh/mtg_chess.png[/img:1obzvfbn]
Made this to be the header of an article about card's complexity in magic.

[img:1obzvfbn]http://s20.postimg.org/6tectuggd/5_colors_in_magic.png[/img:1obzvfbn]
Wrote this while thinking about a storyline for a set.


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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:54 am 
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I...don't understand. Clarify, please?

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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:35 am 
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I was thinking on characters and color pie, trying to figure a world where all five colors matters.

Started with the color wheel is filled with phrases and words.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:56 am 
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Yes, I can see that the color wheel is filled with phrases and words. But what's the significance of the words and phrases? What do they represent? Why are there two sections in each of the two-color bubbles? What's with the central bubble? What prompted you to create the bubble chart? And so on and so forth.

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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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Yeah I honestly don't get this either.

I mean I figured out after a while that the outermost bubbles were ally and enemy colors but I gotta say the graphic design did NOT make that super clear...

No idea what's up with the chessboard though


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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:25 pm 
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I do like this pseudo-mystic feeling offered by the pictures. However, grammar needs to be worked upon, and I'm not too fond of simplifying the colours like that (though, granted, I do like that you get Green, unlike many novices).

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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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I feel like 'impurity' is very much a white concept. Black would not put much stock in it.

I don't really get a lot of the sentences in the two-color circles. They seem like random mash-ups of words from the one-color circles rather than actual reflections of the two colors.


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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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Well, Black doesn't believe in impurity, but it does use "impurity" as a weapon. It's hard to argue otherwise when 99.78% of all Black cards involve gross stuff.

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Pure and impure are value judgments applied to things. Muck or ichor or rot or poison may be gross but they're not objectively impure. It is the rejection of their evaluation as lesser or bad that allows black to use them as weapons.


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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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Where would the following best fit:

"Let each individual reap the inevitable rewards and punishments of what he has sown, regardless of class or social status. Let each use all the tools arrayed as he sees fit to create a profitable harvest."

I am inclined to say Black/Green.

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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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Cateran wrote:
Where would the following best fit:

"Let each individual reap the inevitable rewards and punishments of what he has sown. Let each use all the tools arrayed as he sees fit to create a profitable harvest."

I am inclined to say Black/Green.

Sounds more like straight :b: to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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Cateran wrote:
Where would the following best fit:

"Let each individual reap the inevitable rewards and punishments of what he has sown, regardless of class or social status. Let each use all the tools arrayed as he sees fit to create a profitable harvest."

I am inclined to say Black/Green.

Sounds more like straight :b: to me.


I believe that its heavy into Black, splashing some Green. The Black elements are pretty obvious in using what's provided in whatever way the individual believes will produce the best results. Green is splashed in the acknowledgment of a looming inevitability and the idea of making ensuring that oneself is best adapted for the consequences of one's decisions.

Can anyone suggest a Red/White statement that doesn't dip into Boros territory?

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"...the historians will write of our suffering, and they will speak of it as the suffering of those who served the Crippled God. As something … fitting. And for our seeming fanaticism they will dismiss all that we were, and think only of what we achieved. Or failed to achieve.

And in so doing, they will miss the whole **** point.”


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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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Can anyone suggest a Red/White statement that doesn't dip into Boros territory?


"You think freedom is something that you can give or take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is just as essential as ... air. And without it, there is no life. There is only ... darkness."

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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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I also think that "Anything a stereotypical American would say" is an appropriate statement for non-Boros red/white.

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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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In my Iron Skies game, the players fought some red-white anarcho-socialists who drew pretty heavily from Les Mis for their dialogue (and named attacks).

V from V for Vendetta is also cited as an un-Boros version of red-white by MaRo. I think he veers either more monored or even Mardu in the comic (though it's been awhile) while the movie version is more straight red-white.


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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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A fun game could be made of this, one which will deepen our understanding of the Pie*.
Here's a few to get you started:

"I will face your First Secretary myself, and when he draws his blade I will cast mine aside so that all may see the full extent of my supremacy."

"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others" - John Stuart Mill

*I'm going to start capitalizing this word.

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 Post subject: Re: Color pie phrases
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DS wrote:


In my Iron Skies game, the players fought some red-white anarcho-socialists who drew pretty heavily from Les Mis for their dialogue (and named attacks).

V from V for Vendetta is also cited as an un-Boros version of red-white by MaRo. I think he veers either more monored or even Mardu in the comic (though it's been awhile) while the movie version is more straight red-white.



Indeed. Anarchy as a whole is cited by him as reverse Boros: instead of Red meeting White ends, its White meeting Red ends.

Suffice to say, Amon and Zaheer from The Legend of Korra are great Red/White villains, though the latter also has a strong Green side.

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