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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:29 am 
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Welp, here's our story I guess?

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/theros-beyond-death-story-cards-2019-12-16

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THE THEROS BEYOND DEATH STORY ON CARDS
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The story of Theros is a tale for the ages, and one not to be missed. So, as we move through Theros Beyond Death previews, certain cards will come with a bit of flavor, worldbuilding, or important story moments. We'll collect those story moments right here.

Note that for Theros Beyond Death, there are currently no plans for an ebook, so make sure to check out this page throughout preview season.

PREVIOUSLY, ON THEROS . . .
To fight the sun god Heliod, the forge god Purphoros created a sword capable of damaging the divine. The two gods battled, disrupting the celestial resting place of an ancient and powerful hydra: Polukranos, World Eater. Enraged, the hydra stormed through the mortal realm of Theros until it was sealed by Heliod and the hunt god Nylea.

The Planeswalker Elspeth arrived in Theros during the climax of Heliod and Purphoros's battle. She saw Purphoros' sword flung from his hands, and planeswalked away with it. She returned to Theros fifteen years later and faced an angry Heliod. But the god regained his bearings and realized Elspeth could help him, so he reforged the sword into the spear Godsend. Wielding this weapon, Elspeth was able to defeat the newly awakened Polukranos.

Meanwhlie, the satyr Planeswalker Xenagos had hatched a plan to ascend to godhood. By cultivating belief and devotion among his followers, he was able to transcend mortality and join the other gods in their home of Nyx. Xenagos planned to use his new status for ill, so Elspeth vowed to stop him. She journeyed to Nyx and stabbed Xenagos with Godsend, destroying him once and for all.

Fearful of her power and knowledge of the multiverse, Heliod stabbed Elspeth with her very own weapon, which shattered afterwards. Dying, Elspeth's soul became trapped in the Underworld of Erebos where it remains . . . for now.

NOW, WE RETURN TO THEROS . . .


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 Post subject: Re: Theros: Beyond Death
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:37 am 
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Also, how exactly are Erebos and Tymaret with his Returned in kahoots? Wouln't they hate each other?

It does not look like the demigods have much of a choice in the matter.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:36 pm 
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His spite of his protests Erebos has previously shown to not be above using the Returned for his own ends. Though that in itself is arguably a break in character.

With him there was always this disconnect between "uwu Hades is not actually bad" while trying to justify his alignment in the most unsubtle ways.

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 Post subject: Re: Theros: Beyond Death
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:46 am 
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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/a ... 2020-01-10

Would preffer an actual story over this summary, especially since it seems like a good conclusion. Still, Calix's spark is not explained.

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It would be cool if we found out that Calix was somehow made out of a piece of Elspeth's soul or something but I don't think we will get anything.

So apparently Elspeth's new spear is the nightmare version of Heliod's spear (Khrusor). As far as we know it doesn't have any of Godsend in it unless they somehow merged in the nightmare. If we are merging things from her nightmare together that could explain why it is dripping with oil.


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The art of her pw card had the two little dots in the new sphere, so I assume its somehow merged or something

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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/theros-beyond-death-story-summary-2020-01-10

Would preffer an actual story over this summary, especially since it seems like a good conclusion. Still, Calix's spark is not explained.


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Elspeth was dead.

But we must begin far before that, centuries ago. Before the gods of Theros rose to power, the titans—horrific primal urges made flesh—roamed the mortal realm, sowing death and destruction in their wake. The mortals, powerless to defend themselves, turned to prayer in their hour of need. From this prayer, this concentrated devotion, sprang forth the gods themselves.

Imbued with incredible power by the faith of mortals, the gods sealed the titans away in the Underworld. Klothys, the god of fate, volunteered to act as jailer and sequestered herself in the Underworld for eternity. While Erebos rules this realm beyond death, it was Klothys who acted as eternal seal, ensuring the titans remained trapped.

And so, the gods ruled, confident in their position that they had so rightfully earned, until the satyr Xenagos presented a new threat. By harnessing that same power of devotion, he ascended to godhood himself, revealing an unsightly truth to the gods—they were replaceable.

The sun god Heliod sent his champion, the Planeswalker Elspeth, to destroy Xenagos—and she succeeded. However, the fact that Xenagos ascended at all haunted him. If the people of Theros looked up to Elspeth more than Heliod himself, she would surely take his place in the pantheon. Fearful, Heliod struck Elspeth down in her moment of triumph, casting her into the Underworld to be forgotten.

Elspeth was dead.

But her story was not yet over. Another Planeswalker lurked in the shadows of Theros—the nightmare mage Ashiok. Ashiok lived for fear, believing it to be the great equalizer of all things. Thus, while Elspeth should have received eternal rest in Ilysia, the Underworld haven of fallen heroes, she was instead visited by constant nightmares from her past. Of Daxos, her former love, whom she was tricked into killing. Of Heliod, striking her down with the spear she had wielded in his name. And of her childhood torment at the hands of the wretched Phyrexians.

Two things came of this. Ashiok's visions are more real than most, and in one of them, Elspeth seized Heliod's spear Khrusor. When the vision had passed, a twisted version of the spear remained, dripping with darkness and power. Secondly, Ashiok learned of the Phyrexians' existence and promptly planeswalked away to learn more of these true living nightmares.

Meanwhile, the god Heliod contemplated the fragility of his immortality. He would not allow anyone to take his place in the pantheon—not even the other existing gods. To that end, he pulled the soul of the oracle Daxos and transformed him into his champion in the mortal realm. Now a demigod, Daxos was instructed to remove all trace of the other gods from the great city of Meletis.

The other gods, refusing to stand for such an affront, called upon their own champions from the Underworld; with this, the gods were at war. And when gods clash, mortals suffer the consequences. One such consequence took the form of rifts to the Underworld from which countless monsters poured forth. Erebos, the god of the Underworld, was consumed by this conflict. He hated Heliod most of all, and in his rage, he neglected to keep a tight grip on the souls under his purview.

News travels fast, even in the afterlife, and Elspeth heard talk of rifts to the mortal realm. Realizing her work in the Multiverse was not yet done, Elspeth gripped her shadow spear and headed toward a hidden exit in Erebos's palace—but she wasn't the only one seeking escape.

Klothys was furious. When Xenagos attempted to take her place in the pantheon, she was understandably upset. When countless souls dared defy fate to reverse their own deaths, she was livid. She dispatched countless agents of fate to stop these souls from seeking new life. But for Elspeth's, a Planeswalker's soul, she needed something special. So Klothys weaved her masterpiece—an agent of fate she called Calix. Created solely to carry out the will of Klothys, Calix headed off in pursuit of Elspeth in order to preserve that which should be.

As Elspeth headed toward freedom, she gathered allies. Along her journey, she faced many battles and powerful foes, and she fought them all off. After each victory, she raised her spear high and proclaimed: "Behold, the true Khrusor! Heliod wields a fake!"

She also clashed repeatedly with Calix, emerging victorious every time. After all, she was a seasoned warrior, and he was freshly made. But with each battle, Calix did a little better—he was learning his foe as he learned himself. Still, she defeated him one final time as she reached the exit. Where Heliod awaited her.

Through Daxos, Elspeth's former love, Heliod had learned of her attempted escape. Past the point of reason, Heliod stood in Elspeth's way, refusing her passage out of the Underworld. She could not be allowed to escape. She would be the end of him. She was the cause of all this. Ranting under his breath, he charged Elspeth with his spear Khrusor . . . which promptly shattered in his hands.

For each time Elspeth repeated that her shadowspear was the true Khrusor, the onlooker souls believed her. And it was the power of that belief, that devotion, that caused her lie to simply become truth. Staring down the point of a spear that was no longer his, Heliod yielded. And Erebos laughed.

In Erebos's centuries of existence, no sound had ever pleased him quite like the sound of Heliod's surrender. And Erebos simply took the defeated sun god and placed him beneath a giant boulder, where he would suffer for all eternity, or until he was forgotten by his worshippers above. As for Elspeth, Erebos gifted her his eternal gratitude—and safe passage back to the mortal realm.

After a brief reunion with Daxos, Elspeth planeswalked away. Calix looked on, his very being in agony. It was his purpose to return Elspeth to where she belonged, and now he could no longer reach her. But in his darkest hour, a strange idea sparked within him—and he simply planeswalked after her.


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 Post subject: Re: Theros: Beyond Death
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Anyway, I have some acquiescing to do about Calix. It seems that he was in fact made whole-cloth by Klothys and was not just some mortal schmo who the goddess of destiny granted her power.

That being said, time to jump through some hoops:

1.) Calix is basically a living spell right? He was made by a divine power and his destiny is tied to Elspeth's.
2.) As such, effectively wherever she goes, he is "destined" to follow.
3.) Such that, since Elspeth's spark imbues within her the ability to leave a plane, Calix's force of destiny would allow for him to be drug along in its wake, acting like a mirrored spark.
4.) This of course assumes that since Calix isn't a real person, the Blind Eternities somehow do not shred his very being; see "Destiny Force."
5.) We have seen divine beings pierce the veil between worlds before before the mending. Maybe this "masterpiece" of Klothys just happened to be juiced just enough to get over the hump?

I mean, seems plausible enough in this age of fast and loose storytelling that we seem to find ourselves in.

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It also hints that Klothys did something to him to specifically make him able to planeswalk however, since he's different from other agents of fate. This suggests that "destinity lol" is probably not the (only) answer.

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One final thing.....for the flavor.

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According to the DND thingie Karametra was once goffik. Also Klothys was nowhere near as mad towards Xenagos as the flavour bits implied.

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So Heliod = super paranoid. Got it.
But how is a goddess of destiny ? "Destiny" is pretty open to interpretation, but not too many of those interpretations are :r:.

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She gets very angry when people try to defy destiny :shrug:


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She gets very angry when people try to defy destiny :shrug:


There was the Erinyes or the Furies who where a trio of vengeance goddess (not unlike the trio of the goddesses of fates who Klothy is mostly based on) who went after those who broke oaths. Klothys similar goes after those who defy the destined natural order.


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The idea is that destiny essential = natural order.

is about freedom, but fully agrees with that your inner you is programmed to be so. Plus, destiny is completely unpredictable.

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https://mtg.gamepedia.com/File:Capturar.PNG

I love how they stabbed him in the eye and still bring a spear to his chest.

With his steed - aka real form - being a winged cow, Agnomakhos should be the next meme loser.

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