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TPmanW wrote:
You make 4chan sound like such a lovely place.

I mean it's obviously significantly more nuanced and a lot of it is just a cultivated reaction from extreme political trends that triggers a backlash whenever either side is perceived to make a move, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't rag on the cover being uninspiring nearly as much if it didn't push their forced diversity triggers.
Which is a thing that maro explicitly states that they do as a company so I guess they're somewhat justified in their responses, but that's a pretty dead horse. I think 4chan is a pretty nice place if you have the mindset for it, but the current political climate does make a lot of public discourse significantly more exhausting.

More than anything about this book, I'm curious if they're going to touch on the various colors of mana and make it meaningful in any way, ideally as an alternative to alignment, because I don't think they're going to rework the spell system to care about it in the slightest.

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I could see them offering an alternative to D&D alignments (which suck anyway) but messing with spell mechanics is a much bigger kettle of fish.

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*dive-bombs in out of nowhere*

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More than anything about this book, I'm curious if they're going to touch on the various colors of mana and make it meaningful in any way, ideally as an alternative to alignment, because I don't think they're going to rework the spell system to care about it in the slightest.

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I could see them offering an alternative to D&D alignments (which suck anyway) but messing with spell mechanics is a much bigger kettle of fish.

I really hope the mana colors will matter in any way. I skimmed through Amonkhet's and Dominaria's Plane Shifts (did they just skip Ixalan, btw?) and while I liked the race dossiers and the additional BGs, the lack of mention of mana was disappointing. Admittedly it would be a big undertaking to divide every spell (and spell-like ability) into the five colors, and one could argue prepared casting doesn't reflect how MtG mages cast, but leaving it all as-is would seem so lazy to me. A friend of mine says my homebrew focus too much on balancing and versatility and too little on flavor, but if mechanics don't even work in the same conceptual universe of the lore it's just willful negligence.

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I skimmed through Amonkhet's and Dominaria's Plane Shifts (did they just skip Ixalan, btw?)
They did not.

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Thank you for the link! For some reason it didn't come up when I looked for it the first time.

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Probably the best way to make a mechanical nod to MTG's magic system would be to create a new class of magic user.

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From what's been talked about by WotC folk, so far it seems like the most they are willing to do is create specific character backgrounds for each of the guilds that will add some Magic flavor to a character. Chances are there will be some custom spells and magic items that call-back to some Ravnica magic and artifacts as well.

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TPmanW wrote:
Probably the best way to make a mechanical nod to MTG's magic system would be to create a new class of magic user.

I concur, though coming up with a good way to represent mana bonds wouldn't be very easy.

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From what's been talked about by WotC folk, so far it seems like the most they are willing to do is create specific character backgrounds for each of the guilds that will add some Magic flavor to a character. Chances are there will be some custom spells and magic items that call-back to some Ravnica magic and artifacts as well.

That's... something, though if they don't at least come up with guild-related BGs the handbook will be a crappier version of an ordinary plane shift.

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They have already said each guild will have its own background and there will be guild-specific and inter-guild hooks.


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TPmanW wrote:
Probably the best way to make a mechanical nod to MTG's magic system would be to create a new class of magic user.

I concur, though coming up with a good way to represent mana bonds wouldn't be very easy.

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From what's been talked about by WotC folk, so far it seems like the most they are willing to do is create specific character backgrounds for each of the guilds that will add some Magic flavor to a character. Chances are there will be some custom spells and magic items that call-back to some Ravnica magic and artifacts as well.

That's... something, though if they don't at least come up with guild-related BGs the handbook will be a crappier version of an ordinary plane shift.

Some kind of animist-type class with abilities that vary depending on her surroundings might work.
I mused about something like that here:
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Somebody did a much better job, but with different flavour here:
http://goblinpunch.blogspot.com/2015/05 ... ector.html

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Apparently there won't be any references to the color pie at all.
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Not gonna lie, Loxodon living for that long is kinda preposterous.

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It says Vedalken can live up to 500 years. That seems kind of excessive too. Is this a normal Vedalken thing or a Ravnica only thing?


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Vega_Z27 wrote:
It says Vedalken can live up to 500 years. That seems kind of excessive too. Is this a normal Vedalken thing or a Ravnica only thing?

We've never really had a basis for Vedalken, so whatever they say is pretty much what we have to roll with.

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It says Vedalken can live up to 500 years. That seems kind of excessive too. Is this a normal Vedalken thing or a Ravnica only thing?

We've never really had a basis for Vedalken, so whatever they say is pretty much what we have to roll with.


Huh. Sill seems weird to me official or no but eh whatever they say goes I guess. So what’s the lifespan on elves like? I thought it was only like a couple hundred (200-300) years. Are they one of the one of the longest lived races then or not? Does it vary from plane to plane? Do you think having loxodon and Vedalken live that long so other colors can have long lived characters too (black’s being vampires). Following that last thought I’m not sure what reds would be. Unless it’s giants. It seems to be the live fast die young color, not including the cards literally named that in black.

Edit: Sometimes I wish there was a general question thread. I hate to feel like I’m derailing a thread and sorry if I am.


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Huh. Sill seems weird to me official or no but eh whatever they say goes I guess. So what’s the lifespan on elves like? I thought it was only like a couple hundred (200-300) years. Are they one of the one of the longest lived races then or not?
from what I've been able to glean they run to about 600

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seems to be?

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People on Ravnica live a super long time.


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People on Ravnica live a super long time.

True, but also the Ravnican year isn't as long either.

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Does it vary from plane to plane?
only deviation to speak of is Lorwyn


Is the deviation a shorter or longer lifespan? What is the lifespan of a Lorwyn elf?


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