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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:10 am 
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Sataras, Broker of Souls
Legendary Creature - Demon (M)
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If X is less than four, Sataras enters the battlefield with debt counters on it equal to the difference.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 2 life for each debt counter on Sataras.
"You will give me my due, mortal, one way or another."
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Black has always had huge dudes with horrible downsides. Master of the Feast is even a 5/5 flier for 3! So I decided to make a 6/6 flier for 2. I thought of this idea where you could pay "extra" mana in order to make the downside less bad. This can be a standard 6/6 flier for 6, or a 6/6 flier for 2 with a horribly crippling downside, or anything in between.

The only problem is wording the mechanic. I thought of doing some sort of multikicker, or some other sort of ability that triggers when you play the card, etc. But most of those ended up being way too wordy and hard to implement nicely. This was the simplest way I could think of, and even then it's sort of strange because you can pay extra mana beyond 4 for this card for no real reason and because I'm not actually sure if "If X is less than four, ~ enters the battlefield with debt counters on it equal to the difference" actually works. Hopefully this wording is good though.

Also, bonus card, because I thought this was a pretty cool effect.

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Choose two target players. Until end of turn, if one of the players would draw a card, both players draw a card instead, and if one of the players would take damage, both players take damage instead.
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 Post subject: Re: a strange idea
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:06 am 
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I dig the concept. It might be wordy, but it'd be neat if after you lost life you removed a debt counter.


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 Post subject: Re: a strange idea
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:39 am 
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~ enters the battlefield with 4 minus X debt counters.


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 Post subject: Re: a strange idea
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:20 pm 
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I like Sataras.


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 Post subject: Re: a strange idea
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:08 pm 
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theatog wrote:
~ enters the battlefield with 4 minus X debt counters.

But negative counters man. It just doesn't jive with me.

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I find it funny that the one with no Debt Counters is the most boring version. Like, a six-drop 6/6 flyer is fine but not interesting. A 2-drop 6/6 that costs me 4 life each turn is much cooler in a suicide black deck.


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 Post subject: Re: a strange idea
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:50 pm 
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Silly wrote:
theatog wrote:
~ enters the battlefield with 4 minus X debt counters.

But negative counters man. It just doesn't jive with me.

except mtg is equipped todeal with it already. Just search gatherer with minus and you are littered with examples. edit: check their oracle text. i just realized their original text is actually kinda better. but i m sure the "Oracle" has a reason.

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At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, that player loses X life, where X is the number of cards in that player's hand minus the number of cards in your hand.


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I find it funny that the one with no Debt Counters is the most boring version. Like, a six-drop 6/6 flyer is fine but not interesting. A 2-drop 6/6 that costs me 4 8 life each turn is much cooler in a suicide black deck.

8 i believe. ftfy


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Not to over-much detract from the main conversation, but I'm a huge fan of Shared Senses and the interactions it opens up. I also think its coloring is really on-point (although it could maybe stand on its own as just blue-black?), but I have a hunch it might be a touch too expensive. Is there a universe in which this could somehow cost less?

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I like the second one a lot more than the demon. I would like it more if it didn't specify "two" players, just to make it more chaotic in multiplayer. :)


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 Post subject: Re: a strange idea
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theatog wrote:
I find it funny that the one with no Debt Counters is the most boring version. Like, a six-drop 6/6 flyer is fine but not interesting. A 2-drop 6/6 that costs me 4 8 life each turn is much cooler in a suicide black deck.

8 i believe. ftfy


Oops. I miscounted In that case, I'd probably go with the three-drop version so if I get in a jam I can sac it to something like Devour Flesh or Disciple of Griselbrand to make up for a hit from it.


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