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Round 43 Format Poll: Upsides
3 Card Unmagic: Silver-bordered cards are legal this round. (There will be a substantial banned list.) 27%  27%  [ 3 ]
4CM Sloppy Work: Each player gets a 4-card deck, a Blood Funnel emblem, and a Heartless Summoning emblem. 27%  27%  [ 3 ]
Anarchy: All vintage-legal cards are legal. 9%  9%  [ 1 ]
Knowledge Pool: The game begins with a Knowledge Pool emblem exiling a copy of each deck. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
WUBRG: Each player gets that stays through steps and phases and refills on your turn. 36%  36%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 11
Total voters : 6
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:39 pm 
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Season 3 has begun!

Welcome back to 3 Card Magic, the most minimalistic Magic format in the world!
Now accepting deck submissions via PM here or email to 3cmdecks@gmail.com!

The basic concept is simple: make a deck consisting of any three Magic Cards, and try to win as many games as possible!
If you're new here, I suggest you read the primer.

Now that you have a general understanding, below are the detailed rules in all of their glory.

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Round 42: Vanilla
Newly banned: Maze of Ith, Mutavault, Treetop Village
Newly unbanned: Glitterfang, Loxodon Smiter, Mishra's Factory

Round closes Sunday, December 11th

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:10 pm 
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Looking back on two seasons of Vanishing vanilla, I must say that I have switched camps, and would prefer it if we just started with the Always Banned list here as well. Or at least make the cards on the always banned list exempt from the unbanning rule. Otherwise, Vanilla will never get away from being about those cards.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:11 pm 
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I feel like, even with an Always Banned list, every new iteration of Vanilla will start the same. Adding that list just changes the starting point, but eventually that starting state will be solved just like the current one. The uniqueness that comes out of Vanilla comes from the variation in what cards get banned, so you really have to wait a couple of rounds for the format to become something new and unexplored.

Honestly, this is why I like alternate format so much more, because they're always mysterious and open-ended, which Vanilla often isn't.

I'm just hoping that maybe the extensive knowledge of what's good at the start of Vanilla will lead to deeper metagaming, and we'll see something different. At least there isn't any single deck that is 100% impossible to beat.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:19 pm 
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I've sent in a new deck. It replaces my old one.

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I'm not sure the people here are sadistic enough to unban super broken unfun things like blackmail, but I could be wrong.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:48 am 
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I said it before, and I'll say it again.
Banning entire decks will make the banlist grow much too fast. Banning up to 9 cards and unbanning 1 is not exactly healthy.
Also, it can lead to stuff like Scepter,dec being banned in 1 round and next round the unbanned card is Lightning Helix, which doesn't work without scepter anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:14 am 
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I proposed only banning the first-place deck, but I got feedback requesting more bans than that. Should we take a vote? It'd be helpful if everyone could weigh in on at least these two rules: banning the top deck vs. banning the top three decks, and whether or not the winner should be able to unban a card that was banned as a result of the round he or she just won.

The problem I have with banning parts of decks is that it's too subjective. If the rule is that I ban the "best card" in the top deck, then there will invariably be arguments about which card was the "best card."

So far, I feel like I've received three solid opinions about what Vanilla should be, and they're all different. Tevish Szat proposed the current rules, Aaarrrgh proposed fewer bans per round with an always-banned list, and Just_a_cleric proposed a system with very few bans each round.

I'm happy to try anything, as long as it's feasible from a hosting standpoint, but it's hard to pick something that'll please everyone when everyone wants something different. Don't get me wrong, I'm not discouraging discussion about this. If the players can come to an agreement or compromise of some sort, I'll make the change, but until then, I'm keeping the current rules. The quickest way to get them changed would probably be to get some majority vote regarding the two rules I mentioned in the first paragraph.

Edit: If people are really divided about this, I can cancel Vanilla this week, start an alternate format round as soon as we get more votes on the format, and then hope that we've come to a consensus by the time that round ends.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:39 am 
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More suggestions:

Ban all cards in the top deck, winner bans an extra card and unbans 1
Ban all cards in top three, winner unbans one then host unbans one.
Some other combination of host and winner banning and unbanning cards.

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I'm fine with every proposed system

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:06 pm 
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My proposal is basically the same as Aaarrgh's.

'Always banned' for stuff like Blackmail/Chancellor/FoW
Each round 1 decisive card of each top 3 deck.
Winner unbans 1

Something like that.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:37 pm 
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Oooh, I like JaC's idea. And as far as deciding which card from each deck gets banned from each deck: can we make that the consolation prize for the player who gets the fewest points in the round?

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Aaarrrgh wrote:
Oooh, I like JaC's idea. And as far as deciding which card from each deck gets banned from each deck: can we make that the consolation prize for the player who gets the fewest points in the round?

Heh, I like that idea. Okay, since we have some form of agreement, here's my proposal:

Setup: The banned list begins containing everything on the alternate-format always-banned list. This isn't technically an always-banned list, though, because these cards are still eligible for unbanning.
Bannings: The lowest scorer of each round chooses a nonbasic card to ban from each of the top three decks. Exactly three cards are banned, even if there are ties. (Example: If there are two first-place decks and three second-place decks, one card is banned from each first-place deck, and one card is banned from a single second-place deck.) If there is a tie for lowest scorer, one of them will be chosen for this role at random.
Unbannings: The winner of each round may choose a card that was already on the banned list at the beginning of the current round. That card is unbanned. If there is a tie for highest scorer, one of them will be chosen for this role at random.
Note: Unbanning a card is optional, but bans are not. If the banner doesn't make a decision before the next round of Vanilla, I will choose the bans myself.

I want to allow time for people to give feedback on this, but if it does go through, we'll definitely have to cancel the current round.

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Apologies for double posting, and apologies to the people who have already submitted decks, but in order to allow more time for discussion about the Vanilla rules, I'm canceling this round and replacing it with a round of alternate format. Since it's only Monday, the round-end date will not be changing.




Round 1: Prismatic
Each player begins the game with a Plains, an Island, a Swamp, a Mountain, and a Forest on the battlefield. (These are cards, not tokens.)

Round closes Saturday, March 29th

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Additional ban: Coalition Victory




Coalition Victory gets a ban this round because it's too obvious and I think the format will be more interesting without it.

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This game is so sweet. PMed decklist! :teach:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:40 pm 
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List submitted.

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Submitted a list.

That ban list is absolutely huge.

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Bah, that's Domain, not Prismatic....

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Damn, you're right, that's a better title for this format.

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Submitted a list.

That ban list is absolutely huge.


Trust me, it's needed. Every single card on that list creates a deck which is good in any format, which sort of ruins the idea of having alternate formats in the first place.

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Lols, I missed a great opportunity here by going for a safe deck.


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