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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:52 am 
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Wandering around the internets, I landed on this page. I'm terrible at Mafia, and often left as one of the last townies due to not really knowing what to do. So, I decided to look up a basic guide on the game, and then I wanted to ask:

What would you guys add to it for new players? What haven't they covered that you feel is important?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:06 am 
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Play the game. Don't be afraid to make mistakes.

I started playing this game in 2004 and never heard of the thing. I just hopped in a 24-player game, got a pro-active role (roleblocker variant) and actively participated.

I liked these parts:
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Mafia is a game. Upsetting people for no evident reason - or for "psychological advantage" - may help you win in the short run, but will likely ensure that you will not be asked to play again.
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There is no single best playstyle, and in fact part of what makes Mafia interesting is that people play differently.
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one of the major benefits of dying as Town is that everyone expects you weren't lying while you were alive.
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Nobody wants to read your giant walls of text unless there's a really good reason for it. No, you don't want to read them either. Be concise

And in the Mafia segment:
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A solid gambit can hand the entire game to you if executed properly. Look for ways to do it.
Man, am I glad this wiki wasn't around when I started playing. I was known for throwing fellow mafiates under busses, 'killing' myself as an untargetable mafiate don and stuff like that.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:37 am 
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I've been playing Mafia since 2010? I think?

I was super lucky in that in my second game I was handed an awesome role with a large number of abilities (Jack of all Trades variant), and was Mason buddies with Scarlet here to boot. I was able to have the benefit of his experience as the game was progressing as opposed to asking him questions after the fact outside of context, which really helped me learn fast. I managed to convince everyone else, including the mafia, that my abilities were one-shots, and that they mostly just effected votes. That, combined with my newbie status, kept me alive into the late game where I was able to kill off the remainder of the scum team. It was an awesome starting experience.

Play a lot, play often. That's how you become awesome at mafia. No two games are alike. Everyone plays differently, has different roles, and are faced with different opponents. I agree with the don't be afraid to play comment. It doesn't matter if it is your first game and you don't know what you are doing. Ask questions, form opinions, and try. Your fresh perspective might even spot things that veteran players ignore.

At the end of the day there is no learning substitute for playing the game. You just have to play and enjoy yourself and you'll eventually get better.

If you have the itch to host, then host! Watching a game you designed unfold can also go a long way towards teaching you how the game works and how people interact with each other under different situations.

Don't be afraid to tell people if you are a new player too. People generally are helpful towards new players, in my experience.

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Mafia is a game. Upsetting people for no evident reason - or for "psychological advantage" - may help you win in the short run, but will likely ensure that you will not be asked to play again.

So much yes. :teach::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:08 am 
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I was known for throwing fellow mafiates under busses, 'killing' myself as an untargetable mafiate don and stuff like that.

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Kinda glad I didn't know you then, lol.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:57 am 
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It won me games too :P

The one that became most 'famous' in Px2 at the time was Resident Evil mafia.
A 24-player mafia game where the players were split in 2 threads. Mafia don (me, untargetable babyface) and mafia goon was in 1 thread together with a cult leader. Another mafia goon was with the SK in another thread.

At the end of D2 the threads merged. My partner in my thread outed himself and would get lynched D3. The other goon was dead.
Because mafia was starting to become low key, people started looking for SK/cult and when they got back to mafia searching, I sent a hit in on myself. The hit failed, flavor confirmed I was hit.
And in the end I won during the final day. We were all sort of confirmed town throughout our actions, but I could plant enough doubt for one of the last two to vote the other.

In hindsight it's because I played as SK that I did this so well. I would go on to win more games as SK. Something that was pretty unheard of until that time period.

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I was also fond of unorthodox tactics back in the day.

I remember back when my NLP was relatively new and I claimed cop variant Day 1 as a Mafia Rolecop. My fellow Mafiate and Godfather were so pissed that I outed myself and he was sure I would spell certain doom for our team if I had been allowed to continue, that it started a huge flame war in the main game thread between us that lasted all of Day 1, and ended on Day 2 with the Don's lynch that I was pushing Pitchfork and Torch in hand.

I wore town pants pretty much the rest of the game right to the end and won. Also as the last remaining Mafia member alive. It came down to a Mexican standoff between Scarlet here, who knew by the end that I was the last Mafiate, myself, and one other Town player whom I can't recall off the top of my head that was deciding the tie breaking vote. But it was an unorthodox way to win, for sure.

But then, I did learn to play Mafia mostly from you, Scarlet... :P

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Zinger2099 wrote:
But then, I did learn to play Mafia mostly from you, Scarlet... :P

And now we know who to blame for all the Spiderman games! :V

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:12 pm 
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But then, I did learn to play Mafia mostly from you, Scarlet... :P

And now we know who to blame for all the Spiderman games! :V

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*thwip* :V

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Yeah well I do Touhou games all the time. So my apprentices will have one thing that they milk as well :V

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:15 am 
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I'm a random, infrequent Mafia player, but I have these advices in addition to what was said before

1) Be willing to revise your reads. Tunnel Vision can lead you to ignore other evidence
2) With great power comes great ability to ABUSE that power. If you have a role, use it.
3) As mafia, don't lurk to victory. Okay, it may win games, but it makes the experience worse for everyone, though in a more subtle way than open hostility
4) Making friends is better than making enemies. As town, befriending others can give you insight into their thought process, allowing you to discern, perhaps, where their true loyalties lie. As scum, befriending townies gets you town pants. You have to pick someone to attack and kill, but a little courtesy goes a long way in game as well as out.

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2) With great power comes great ability to ABUSE that power. If you have a role, use it.

I dunno, I've had Vigilante before, and I did nothing but accidentally snipe Town.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:34 pm 
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I remember when I used to play mafia.

If somebody starts up a new game maybe shoot me a message.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:39 pm 
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yay

Cat's game has 72 hour days and 24 hour nights so i would guess there would be a new game in signups within a week or two at the latest

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:19 pm 
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So I was clearing out an old hard drive to free up some space, and I found the mafia primer I wrote a few years back when I was still active on Px2. Since the WotC forums imploded and it's not accessible there anymore, I'd thought I'd leave it here. Maybe somebody with a little bit of interest could clean it up and possibly update it to be more relevant to the current NGA meta. It's certainly detailed enough to be a great starting point for a new mafia primer.

Be warned. The file I found on my computer is a first draft, and has no next formatting besides tags to myself.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:21 pm 
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Btw I just deleted the file off of my hard drive so if NGA implodes then "An Introduction to Px2 Mafia in all of its Glory, By Silly_Dragons" will be well and truly lost forever.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:28 pm 
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i helped

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Lol oh the memories.

That reminds me, I need to back up all of MAXIMUM CARNAGE: A Spider-Man Mafia. That'll take some days.... lol :party:

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